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Pewdiepie: Anti-Semitic Jokes Gone Too Far?
Topic Started: Feb 14 2017, 04:31 PM (2,910 Views)
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http://kotaku.com/disney-drops-pewdiepie-over-anti-semitic-jokes-1792324412?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow
http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/13/14605060/pewdiepie-disney-deal-lost-nazi-anti-semitic-imagery


What do you think about this? Do you think there's an line that you shouldn't cross in comedy? Was Disney justified in dropping Felix for this?

I'm at a no and a yes right now. Technically Disney can do whatever they want with their money, but I don't think Felix should be getting so much s*** for this. Comedy is comedy. If your words are used for the sake of comedy, there shouldn't be some invisible line that comedians can't cross over. If they're being used for hate, that's an entirely different argument.
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To be honest, I don't blame them in the slightest.

It wasn't 'funny', and it was edgy 'comedy' at its worst.
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Regardless, Disney in the public eye is stained with the rumour that Walt Disney was anti-semitic and pro-nazi. As of late they've been pushing as far away from that image as possible. Felix doing this kind of stuff was going to warrant some reaction by Disney, they're a kid friendly company, and the last thing they want to do is to be responsible for sponsoring someone whom's main audience is children and adolescents who may not have a full grasp on what a "just a joke bruh" thing is.
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In the grand scheme of things, no I don't believe that there's a line in comedy. Everything is fair game in my opinion, as long as it's funny (which is obviously subjective). However, I also believe you need to know your audience, and PewDiePie's audience includes a large number of kids, of which vulgar and offensive jokes should not be aimed at. He also has ties to sponsors and those sponsors are completely within their rights to end their partnership if they don't approve of the product. So Disney are totally within their rights to do what they did, but overall, I don't believe there's such a thing as 'too far' in comedy.
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I fully get why Disney would distance himself but the backlash PewDiePie has received personally I disagree with.

He's never once claimed to be some kid friendly comedy channel and isn't contractually obligated to censor his humour in any way, regardless of who likes or dislikes it. It's always been edgy teen humour not a channel for 7 year old kids.

They're dumb jokes but that's all they are, that people think Felix is actually some kind of Nazi is just ridiculous. A Nazi with Jewish friends is kind of failing at being a Nazi.


These are some pretty standard internet jokes so I don't see why it's fair that Felix specifically has his name dragged through the mud when a million other YouTubers say the same s***, just because he's the biggest one doesn't mean he can't make stupid jokes.

The only reason these articles exist is to feed off the ad revenue attached to putting PewDiePie in the title, especially in a negative light.

Barely any mention of he and other Revelmode members raised over a million towards a charity that fights AIDS.
Why say something nice about someone when you can call them a Nazi and make more money?


I particularly like the main one with the Fiverr Guys, the "Death to all jews" one.
They don't know what "Death to all" means but they can write big fairly well written paragraphs about how sorry they are and whatnot? Obviously English isn't their first language but come on, clearly they share some of the blame with that.
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I do see it being a problem in light of all the alt-right, racism stuff our society has been dealing with lately. It does make him look bad. And it was a poor joke either way. I don't know, I can see both sides, but that doesn't mean that he deserves all the hate he's getting.
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I find it to be completely wasted energy really, they're some dumb jokes, he's not actually trying to argue that Hitler did nothing wrong or anything like that.

This energy should be directed at people who are actually spreading negativity, instead people are just generating negativity around a joker who plays no part in any side. It's some pretty s***ty journalism going around about him lately.

He's made a few videos about it in recent months and deliberately dropped in a few edgy things just to see how many crappy media outlets take what he says out of context to rag on him.


Like recently he said the N word ending with iga, most pages were phrasing titles about it like he directly called some one an N word ger, so obviously loads of people only reading the title were like "OH MY GOD PEWDIEPIE IS RACIST"


Interestingly I didn't see many about an "Allahu Akbar" voice clip he put in a video, most likely because the people who make articles about him probably don't pay attention to the videos.
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I think this is fairly simple. Disney don't want to have Nazism/Antisemitism attached to their brand in any way, whether it is meant to be comedic or otherwise, and have fired PewDiePie because of this. This isn't the first time he's made fairly distasteful comments or jokes - he got banned from Twitter for making some comments about the so-called Islamic State not long ago - and honestly he really doesn't need to be doing that. He's a YouTuber, an entertainer, he should be entertaining people, not trying to be 'edgy' or 'clever' by making insensitive jokes and references. If someone made those sorts of comments at my place of work you can bet your a*** you'd be fired.

You also have to factor in that this guy has millions of subscribers on YouTube. Whether he likes it or not he has influence over people, a portion of which will be impressionable, and Disney aren't going to want their brand involved with that.

His excuse for paying two Indian people to say "Death to all Jews" was that he was "trying to show how crazy the modern world is, specifically some of the services available online" and that people "would say anything for five dollars". So, the question really is "Why did you need to say 'Death to all jews'?" to make this point? Why not something ridiculous but inoffensive? Fact of the matter is he chose something antisemitic, and whilst I don't believe that he is antisemitic or hateful, he's certainly stupid for using that as his reference point.

I'm not one of these haters of PewDiePie, I've seen a few of his videos over the years and he seems like a genuinely nice guy, but really I hope he learns from this mistake. He has more responsibility than he perhaps realises.
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Feb 14 2017, 07:14 PM
He's a YouTuber, an entertainer, he should be entertaining people, not trying to be 'edgy' or 'clever' by making insensitive jokes and references. If someone made those sorts of comments at my place of work you can bet your a*** you'd be fired.
But what if he is entertaining people though, why is it not okay for him to entertain the people who find it funny? This kind of humour has always been present in the channel, the "Death to all jews" bit is slightly further than normal since he actually got people to say that for him but from his reaction it seemed like he genuinely didn't think they would.

The video he has up featuring it currently has 721,000 likes and 27,000 dislikes, so it's not like the whole fanbase was outraged. Most of those probably aren't even part of the fanbase, typically each video gets like 3,000-7,000 dislikes regardless of what it's about.
So a portion of that might be the fanbase but it's more likely that most of the extra dislikes are from people who read articles about how PewDiePie hates Jews.


Within the context of the video I found it hilarious, given how many people liked compared to disliked clearly many did too, distasteful or not the community largely found it funny for what it was.


Me and my girlfriend found it hilarious because throughout the whole video basically all of his requests didn't go through or they turned out crap but then the most outrageous one makes it at the end.

And the way they deliver the video too, it's such a seriously bad joke but the Fiverr Guys are dancing around and laughing like idiots as they open up the sign. It's funny because it's so ridiculous. (funny being subjective obviously)

Just in case someone wants to see it, starts at 11:00:



If you just read a headline or article that says "PewDiePie paid people to say "Death to all Jews"" then it understandably sounds absolutely terrible but if you watch their video it's pretty easy to see why people found it funny. Those goofy laughs...


People seem to act like anyone who found it funny would be volunteering at Auschwitz during the war just for the chance of killing Jewish people, which is obviously ridiculous.
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Out of curiosity, what's so funny about it? I might be a wet blanket, but apart from the initial shock factor, which may illicit a chuckle from some people, I honestly don't see how it's a 'joke' at all.
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It's mostly just that really, the build up to it added to the effect for me at least.

I can't find the word but it's kind of ironic that the most serious thing is the only one that worked out. Irony doesn't quite fit but along similar lines...

Other than that I see no reason to be upset over dark jokes and whatnot until someone is actually attacking another person or a group with them, it's impossible to explain what makes them funny at times they just are to some people.

The second PewDiePie actually started trying to say Jewish people should die I'm pretty sure most people would truly hate him and his channel would be destroyed, most people that have followed the channel for a while know not to take...basically anything he says seriously or without a grain of salt.
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It isn't a joke, though. It's just pure shock value. There's nothing funny about somebody writing that on a sign and holding it up beyond the initial shock of them actually doing it. Furthermore, an anti-Semitic joke when you're working with Disney? It's like the guy has no sense.
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He's a YouTuber, an entertainer, he should be entertaining people, not trying to be 'edgy' or 'clever' by making insensitive jokes and references.
Sorry to pick you up on one point, but there are plenty of entertainers who make a living off of jokes deemed insensitive and edgy by others. It's not the fact that he's a YouTuber or an entertainer that means he shouldn't make those jokes, it's his audience that dictates that.

Also, Nagito, while I agree that I don't really see the funny side of the joke, there are also plenty of comedians out there I don't find funny (like PewDiePie in general). Doesn't mean it's not funny to some.
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Yeah, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with you on that. I don't see how that is entertaining. Also if people are finding that funny that doesn't reflect well on them either. In situations like this, it doesn't really matter what your explanation or excuse is because you just don't need to go there to prove whatever point you're making. Like Drew is saying, he's probably only done it for 'shock value' but past that the mention of it is completely pointless.

According to some other news sources YouTube/Google are also distancing themselves from him. That's really not good.

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Again, just because you don't see how it can be entertaining, doesn't mean it's not entertaining to some.
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